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Pan tilt in shutter cuts window

Discussion in 'Technical Support' started by Floriaan, Mar 29, 2017.

  1. Floriaan

    Floriaan Well-Known Member

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    If I change the pan and tilt in the shutter cuts/Barndoor window, these values do not stick. The fixture p.o.v. image changes, but if I hit Apply or OK, the shutter cuts are saved, but not the pan/tilt value.
     
  2. Michael Ang

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    Hi Floriaan,

    Which fixture(s) are you using that's having this issue? Does it happen with every fixture you're using? Does the Pan/Tilt values save in the General Tab? As an alternative, you can use the Cuts and Adjustments Tool in CAD mode if you need the fixture POV while modifying the pan/tilt value.

    Regards,

    Michael
     
  3. Floriaan

    Floriaan Well-Known Member

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    It does happen at least on ETC profiles and ADB PC's with barndoors. I adjust the shutters/barndoors by going to the fixture properties and choosing the cuts tab. If I change the pan/tilt values directly in spot properties it works fine, if I change them in the cuts tab, the moment I press ok the light jumps back to the previous pan/tilt value, but retains the cuts I have just set.
     
  4. Michael Ang

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    Hi Floriaan,

    Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We will make changes to deal with this. For now, please either use the General Tab or the Cuts and Adjustments tool to modify the pan/tilt value.

    Regards,

    Michael
     
  5. Floriaan

    Floriaan Well-Known Member

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  6. Dany

    Dany Super Moderator

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    Thanks Floriaan!

    (Can you explain why you might choose to go through the trouble of accessing the fixture's Properties, switching tabs, making adjustments and clicking OK? I ask because with the Cuts and Adjustments tool open, you simply have to select the fixture, make the necessary adjustments and watch them being applied in realtime, without having to click anything else...)


    Thanks,

    Dany
     
  7. Floriaan

    Floriaan Well-Known Member

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    First of all, I am a shortcut fan. So for me hitting ALT+ENTER after selecting a fixture is almost faster then moving the mouse to the right side of the screen to the Cuts and adjustment sidebar. This is my shortcut to go to if I want to change anything to the properties of a fixture including patch, gel colors and lay-out to name a few things. So the cuts of a shutter or barndoor start with the properties of the fixture like second nature.
    Also, I keep just a few tabs on the right side, with from top to bottom:
    - Fanning tools (to quickly focus conventionals)
    - Library
    - Layers
    If I add a tab, I tend to keep clicking the wrong tab...
    Also it's somehow more reliable when you want to adjust multiple fixtures at the same time.
     
  8. Dany

    Dany Super Moderator

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    Interesting... so I'm guessing you never use the Fixture PoV feature, as never need to see shutter/barndoor cuts in real time (i.e. without having to click Apply multiple times to see the results of your adjustments), right?

    I must say that there are likely very few users (if any besides you--sorry! :)) who still prefer to work like this.. we've had countless reports from users thanking us for the Cuts & Adjustments tool, and telling us how they've essentially stopped accessing Properties altogether for fixtures, especially after we made it possible to have Spreadsheets in CAD mode... with this, one way of working when assigning fixture attributes and focusing (at the same time) is in a Custom Quad tab set up as follows:

    - Wireframe at top-left
    - customized Spreadsheet at top-right (customized because there's no need to show ALL the columns)
    - Shaded View with Fixture PoV at bottom-left
    - Shaded View a World/Standard camera at bottom-right

    ... and the Cuts & Adjustments tool open of course. With all this, ALL fixture information is on-screen all the time, and every change is applied instantly, without the need to click Apply or OK, even for changing lenses after realizing that the original lens was inappropriate. (Just curious: is there a reason why, if the Cuts & Adjustments took is taking up too much room on-screen, you don't Auto-Hide it, so it only pops when you hover over its tab?)

    Finally, with Cuts & Adjustments you can edit Pan/Tilt/Spin for multiple fixtures at once, something you cannot do via the Properties window > Fixture tab > Cuts subtab.


    Dany


    P.S. As for what you seem to imply, that changes made in the Cuts & Adjustments tool do not work quite well for multiple fixtures, this is not something we've ever heard about.. if you have a set of steps that always lead to such issues, please send them to me and I will be more than happy to look into the problem. This tool is "the way of the future" as far as we are concerned, so we want to make sure it works properly.. so far, no one has reported any problems with it.
     
  9. Floriaan

    Floriaan Well-Known Member

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    For me the easiest thing to do is to have one place to go to, to change anything variable on a light, like patch, channel number, focus, lay-out, etc., etc. For me that always was the fixture properties. Now there are a few possibilities to do one thing.
    If you want the user to go to a certain place to do things, you can be a bit more steering. That is remove all other means through which you can do things, if you think there is a better or more efficient way.
     

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