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Protecting Investment

Discussion in 'wysiwyg' started by Philippe, May 15, 2020.

  1. Philippe

    Philippe New Member

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    Hi, i'm currently an old user of your software (since 2004), always paid for a licence (design mode), and
    for the last few years i know that for a real cheap price you can buy a cracked version directly from china,
    currently you can purchase for 200€ a r44 perform (last one) that works really well , same as a regular one ,
    with the same bugs, so right now my friends that bought this version pay less than me for something even better !
    Question, do you plan to do something to protect our expensive investment or do i have to switch ?
    Thanks for your time.
    Philippe
     
  2. Floriaan

    Floriaan Well-Known Member

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    The question is, do you want to buy things from a fence? It would give me a very unpleasant feeling and comes close to stealing yourself in my opinion (I make an exception for students, that do not make a living with the software) I'd rather see Cast dropping their price to make the effort of cracking the software less profitable, then to tighten the security and make it less easy to use the software for legitimate users.
     
  3. Philippe

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    I Floriaan, uderstand and maybe you can i a w
     
  4. Philippe

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    way sell your investment inside your project, in france it's much more complicated because productions doesn't want to pay for extra, so most of the technicians will work with unofficial version and only providers will have the official one !
     
  5. Floriaan

    Floriaan Well-Known Member

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    That means that there is a place in the product line for a version for technicians that sits somewhere between paper and perform... it could maybe be something like what exists in other visualisers, where you can package a project as a fully functioning ‘live’ version of file that includes the program itself, so people can connect their console and interact with the design, print, look around in shaded views, but not change anything.
     
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    Dany Administrator
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    Thanks for posting this. We typically do not tolerate talk about cracks here on our Forum, but we wanted to address the points above.

    Yes, we are aware of this crack and are just as upset about it as you are, as are many of your colleagues who have also reported it to us. We are not the only software company fighting cracks (larger companies like Microsoft and Adobe, and other software in our lighting industry, battle this issue as well) and, like them, we take the issue very seriously. Our goal is to protect your investment – not to mention our own investment in wysiwyg.

    We have not managed to get our hands on the R44 crack (as we did with the R40 crack) but we will. Meanwhile, we have already taken action against it by rotating the already-extensive security measures in wysiwyg and are exploring other actions, including against the seller (as we have also always done).

    Regarding this being “OK” for students to do, we disagree! CAST has introduced an entirely free student version of wysiwyg Design available, and a student version of Perform for $99 (limited to 2048 DMX channels). These were built in collaboration with students, and, as far as we know, they entirely cover students’ needs.

    By buying a crack you will obviously forgo any technical support and new libraries. By buying it, you are giving money to thieves who are not good enough to write such software themselves… and taking money away from CAST, who will no longer be able to produce new versions, if this continues to happen. As professionals, we expect our users to purchase our software, not steal it. You wouldn’t want your own design stolen and used on another show, would you?


    Regards,

    Dino Mazza, VP Product
    Dany Tancou, Product Manager - wysiwyg
     
  7. Floriaan

    Floriaan Well-Known Member

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    I completely agree with Dany and Dino!
    To be a bit more precise about my earlier point. I think that students should be able to try everything, learn, investigate, etc., either with software provided by their educational institute, a by a software company (e.g. Cast with their educational packages) or by taking things apart what you shouldn’t take apart. Using pirated software is an edge case off course and with wysiwyg completely unnecessary and unwanted.
     
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    Hi and thanks for your answers, it's true that many of software exists in cracked version (it's also a way to learn them), what seems to be particular with wysiwyg is that i know more people that are using an unofficial version than original, and not only french people but also worlwide (i'm in charge of a festival with many american and english bands and you can't imagine the numbers of request over the years for plots conversion, last year was the r40), most of them are programmer, they need the software but because of the price , and most of it the updates politics (if you "miss" one version you will have to pay both the year after) they can't afford it, maybe another way to sell can brought back users, most of them would like to own the official version.
    Just my point of view.
    Thanks for reading .
    Philippe
     
  9. Floriaan

    Floriaan Well-Known Member

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    I am not a marketing/sales specialist, but my guess is that Cast would make more money if the software were sold for half the price.
    The only thing is that you can’t really go down in price, because existing users would be quite upset.
     
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    Hi all,
    Personally I would be really happy to be upset for a year or two,if after that I can get cheaper leases...

    ciao

    Sander
     
  11. Floriaan

    Floriaan Well-Known Member

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    Also here in Europe Capture is catching up very quickly. They are having a lot of traction with a package that is only €375,- and has not too many compromises anymore in terms of rendering and console connectivity.
     

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